has to care for the children, but my answer to that is, does it always have to be the woman? She needs support in caring -- the family needs support in caring for that child.

But, too, there is all of the social pressure. Let's face it, the woman who achieves -- a woman parliamentarian who is here, a woman who is president of her company does so with much greater difficulty than a man for many reasons, but one of them is that he has to come back and a lot of social pressure which is telling her, "you are neglecting your main responsibility." So it's often the difficult situation to be in and that's the reason many of them dropped out. Many of them might want to continue as engineers if the practical support were there, and if the psychological pressure that she is doing wrong and she being neglectful were not present,

So I would say, Let's change that attitude and say, "Sure, a woman engineer is just as good and just as valuable to our society as a male engineer. And let's have more of them.

Thank you.

THE CHAIRPERSON (HON. DR. PRASOP RATANAKORN):

Thank you. Just one more..

HON. TERESA AQUlNO ORETA (PHILLIPINES):

Can I? That woman in agriculture, I have to respond to that because it is a very important part of the platform for action.

Yes, you are right. You say that in many ways, women are not trained to work in agriculture. And let me just say that, the point we want, we always make in this area is that, traditionally, in developing countries we know that. In the Philippines we know that very, very -- we know it very strongly that traditionally, women work beside the men in the field, In all phases of rice agriculture, she is right there beside the man. Perhaps, even sometimes pushing the plow. And yet, when development planners think of the farmers, their image is the male farmer, the male farmer and they talk about the farmer's wife, It's a perspective that is completely divorced from reality. The woman is the farmer as well. So what happens? With modern agriculture, as you have to learn new skills and as training programs are designed, these are designed and offered to men, to the male farmer.

So, women who have traditionally always been in agriculture become more marginalized. So the modernization of agriculture marginalizes women from a task and a role she has traditionally always been involved in. And I so agree, yes, there has to be a training pro-gram focusing and targeting women and that is very clear here, women farmers and women fisher folk.

THE CHAlRPERSON (HON. DR. PRASOP RATANAKORN) :

Thank you very much, I was advised at first that I should not go beyond the time limit but there is one more question from Pakistan, Mr.Javad. Could you come up and ask your