I say, both. All these mechanism have to be set up in order to allow women, their role in other aspects of life beyond family, and for women to meet, in fact the need for often is the need for combined income in many developing-households and developing countries. And the only way this can happen is for the state to provide for more day care or NOO s, private sectors to provide more support facilities for the care of children and the elderly, but also for husbands/fathers to take on the role of parents. And the father, in many ways, has been -- as a psychologist, I say -- deprived of the opportunity, the tremendous growth opportunity to raise their children.

Often, fathers, they don't attend to the children when they are infants, neither as toddlers, then later on, they try here -- this is an example, perhaps, from the Philippine experience -- at a certain age when they are teenagers, they have to come in as disciplinarian. And, you know, so the bond with the father, particularly between sons and father is very tenuous because they do not have that care-giving role that the mother does have.

So, I think in a sense, that is a new role that men have to develop in this present world.

Then you ask, what does it mean to empower women?

Empowerment of women includes economic dimensions, it includes political dimensions, and rightly you say, she has a lot of power at home. But I guess part of my response to that would be, there should be more to it than that, that is basically why is her power often simply informal power. In a sense, she is a better resource in the other areas where she is very much needed.

So, I do believe that and in many ways I will be a good sport and listen to your cute little remarks about women in the home and how they -- behind every man is a woman telling him he's wrong. Men love these jokes, no? But in a sense, I think, we have to take it quite seriously that this is something which is of serious concern and maybe, if in fact, in the Philippines we like to talk about men being under the skirts, you know of the woman whenever you have women quite powerful, even at home.

The fact of the matter is, I believe that this should not be -- oh, how I would put it -- the reason women sometimes have to assert themselves so strongly in informal ways is be-cause they are deprived of formal power. And so, in a sense, if this power is out of the open there would not be this over-compensation by confidently telling their husbands that they are wrong, which I don't think they really do. But it's a cute joke, you can go on with it .

All right, why educate women when, in fact, women, after a while, after they get married, will go back to the homes, and in sense you have deprived a perfectly competent young man perhaps of that scholarship and he could have been the engineer, instead of this woman who's going to give it up anyway after she gets married.

I think, that's a valid question. But perhaps the prior question is, why does she gives it up after she gets married? Much of it is for practical reasons because, yes indeed, someone